20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

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20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby brian » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:37 am

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/A ... ature/161a

It seems like they are banning quite a bit this year. Legacy loses Mental Misstep, Modern loses several decks, and we are reminded that Extended is actually still a theoretical format (even though they keep removing it from high level events).

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby Tron » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:28 am

WTF!!! Ich frag mich immer noch, wie Mental Misstep so ein Format beeinflussen kann, dass man ihn rausnehmen muss. Survival of the Fittest, Ok! Aber Mental Misstep? Ich verstehs net. Welches Deck, abgesehen von Lands & Merfolk - zweiteres rechtfertigt sogar diesen Hardcounter - hat denn darunter gelitten, oder ist großartig davon eingeschränkt?

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby flrn » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:25 am

Told you so Flo. :>

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby Kroenen » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:53 pm

sry, ich hatte das bei Wizard beantragt, weil ich die Karte nicht habe ...
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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby Philip » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:18 pm

Flo, Mental Misstep hatte mehr einfluss auf Legacy als Survival je hatte.

Ab dem moment, wo Misstep gedruckt war, war das Meta nicht widerzuerkennen.

Mental Misstep hat einfach das Tempo aus dem Format genommen und dafür gesorgt, das solche haufen wie Aggroloam echte Decks wurden, einfach nur weil sie den Misstep blanken

Wieso man jetzt Preordain UND Ponder im Extended/Modern bannen musste, brauch ich nicht verstehen (vor allem, wenn rite of flame auch geht) - nagut, wird halt ExarchMiteKikiTwin DAS DTB, hat ja kaum was verloren (man hat immer noch ne ich glaub 68% chance, ohne mulligan beide Combopieces auf der Starthand zu haben....) und sollte auch so noch stabil T4 töten können, und da man 12Post nicht mehr haten braucht, kann man auch wieder mehr Nonbasics spielen und bekomt mehr SBslots für Zoo und Affinity.

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby flrn » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:57 pm


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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby Philip » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:24 am

Ich bräuchte nur die Kiki-Jiki, 3 Remand und Gigadrowses....den Rest hab ich sogar schon :P

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby flrn » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:35 pm

Ich würds halt gerne playsetweise loswerden. Bin am Samstag in Frankfurt.

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby brian » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:02 pm

I don't agree about the comparison to Survival. At the time of the banning, Survival of the Fittest decks were the only decks you could play and have a reasonable expectation of winning a large tournament. Mental Misstep definitely changed the metagame (largely pushing out decks like Goblins, High Tide, Counterbalance, PainterStone, and ANT), but it wasn't leading to a stagnant format. There were still dozens of viable decks. Some clunky decks did get played (such as Aggro Loam and Hive Mind), but there were still plenty of choices.

I really enjoyed playing Misstep, but I am not too upset about it going away, either.

I think the bannings in Modern are a bit too much.

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby Philip » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:41 pm

I strongly disagrre with the statement that MM did not warp the metagame like SotF did.

Dont think of it as different Decks, put these into categories.

You will find 3.
Mental Misstep Decks (RUG, UW(r) Jace Mystic, to some degree Merfolk)
Anti-Misstep Decks (Maverick, Hivemind, Aggroloam)
Decks that can hardly win shit anymore because they rely on strong CC1-spells (All Tempooriented Decks like Merfolk, Candian Thresh, Team America, but also Hightide, ANT/DdFT, Vialgoblins, 'Real' Zoo and just about anything else).

Now compare to SotF.
You could play SotF-Decks (GW Aggro, GW pure VV-Combo, UG Midrange)
Anti SotF-Decks (Fastcombo mostly)
And Decks that could hardly win shit anymore because SotF-Decks were too fast with too many blockers (Again, all tempooriented Decks like MF, CT, TA, Aggro/sligh-Decks, Zoo, Bantstuff....)

Theres an article I recently read which i found rather good, surrounding this argument. I'll try to find it....

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby Tron » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:53 pm

Gerade noch vor einer Woche habe ich mich über meine Wertanlage, das Playset Vesuvas, gefreut und nachdem nun der Post gebannt worden ist, schwupps, für'n Arsch. Mit diesen Bannings^^ Es ist zum verrückt werden.

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby Sean » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:24 pm

keine cantrips mehr im modern nimmt mir irgendwie 80% der Lust an Blau weg.
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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby Philip » Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:49 am

Es gibt ja immer noch , und , aber ja, stimmt schon.
Mir wärs auch lieber wenn sie geblieben wären, dann hätte ich weiter Pyro Ascension spielen können :P

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby brian » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:07 am

I don't think that the second category existed in your Survival of the Fittest decks. At the time it was banned, there was not any deck that consistently put up good results against SotF decks. There were a few types of SofF decks, but there wasn't anything that beat them.

Overall, I think the banning the Mental Misstep is positive. It really opens up a large amount of decks that were not viable when it existed. Aggro (Goblins), Aggro Control (Fish), Combo (ANT), and Control (CounterTop) are much better off with Misstep out of the picture. Also, losing your ability to play a 2-3 euro card is not nearly as stinging as Jace @70 or whatever he was when he got banned from Standard.

On the other hand, this makes my Spell Snares also worse, as the presence of Misstep caused people to rely on more powerful two drops.

Time for a new deck...

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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby flrn » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:05 am


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Re: 20 September Banned List Update (tons of cards)

Postby Philip » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:02 pm

Merfolk ist jetzt eigentlich schon n Deck - gerade auch dank Phantasmal Image, durch dass man jetzt noch stabiler gegen S&T/NO-Decks gewinnt :D.


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